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aheadofthegame
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From:Bourbonnais, Illinois USA
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posted August 09, 2002 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aheadofthegame   Click Here to Email aheadofthegame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have ran into a little problem recently and while I can speculate with my own opinions, I just wanted to throw this out there and get some (opinions) from others.

We run a polyester strapping line built by SIMA. 180mmm screw with a capable guaranteed output of 1600 pph.
The problem occurred when an operator didn't turn on chillers to cool feed zone section of screw, effectively bridging it. After extended running of this unit without resin flow (other than very little burnt, degraded resin and steam from die) It was determined that the only way to clear this blockage was to extract the screw and clean in.
Upon removal of the screw, it was found to be broken between the metering section and the compression section. Approximatly 2/3 up.
It wasn't a clean break, so it would still rotate, but there is evidence of it breaking and twisting apart by the flight lifted up and gouging the barrel.
The compression section of the barrel ws in good condition. There was no abnormal wear indicating the screw had been broken for a long time before this. The only barrel wear was where the break occurred and the screw flight gouged a 1/16th deep line. This also tells me it probably wasn't broken very long.
Is it possible that the extended running of the screw in the barrel without resin for lubrication overheated it and swelled to the point where it would want to lock up... essentially breaking? With barrel temps increased to 660 deg, and friction from screw and barrel contact, this would seem likely to happen after extended running at max screw rpm. (64.5 is max)
I personally have never seen a broken screw, and certainly one this large would seem to be next to impossible to break. I have heard of this happening but it's incredibly rare.
I would appreciate ony input. Thanks


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Steve H
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posted August 10, 2002 06:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve H   Click Here to Email Steve H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lack of lubrication sounds reasonable to me- How hard was it to extract the screw?

Steve H

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Peter P
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From:Nottingham, Notts., U.K.
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posted August 11, 2002 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter P     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your explanation has one major flaw - if the screw was to fail in shear, it would do so at the weakest point, which in a normal screw is where the channel depth is greatest and the root diameter is smallest, that is to say, in the feed section.

I would start looking for a fault in the screw in the region of the break.

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Peter P

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Steve H
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posted August 12, 2002 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve H   Click Here to Email Steve H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peter is correct when he states that the screw should have failed at the weakest point and that there must have been a structural flaw at the point that it broke.

But the event that caused the flaw to fail is the lack of lubrication and support the melt provides a turning screw. Incoming material is the major source of cooling in a plastic extruder, the heat build up as a result of lack of feed would expand the screw causing it to bind.

How long had the screw operated satisfactorily for before it broke? or at least was found to be broken (if the two occurences are unconected)

What is the material the screw is constructed from? Chris Rauwendaal published a paper at ANTEC a few years ago- Screws made from corrosion resistant materials were likely to bind as a result of the differing rates of thermal expansion between the barrel and screw, in this paper he states that Finite Element Analysis indicated that the screw temp in the metering zone could be quite a bit higher than the barrel.

Steve H

[This message has been edited by Steve H (edited 08-14-2002).]

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aheadofthegame
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posted August 14, 2002 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aheadofthegame   Click Here to Email aheadofthegame     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info.
To answer, the line has been in mostly continuous operation for about 5 years without the screw being removed.

I have been with this particular company just over 2 years and for the most part this has been the biggest mechanical failure to date. There are procedures that are followed here that in my past experiences were concidered taboo if you will. I like to think being in this line of work for better than 12 years I've learned or experienced alot, but here, nothing surprises me anymore.

Reguarding the possiblity of a structural flaw in this screw that may have led to the breakage, I could probably come up with dozens of contributing reasons.
I guess my main concern is the fact that when the line is shut down for any extended period here, the temps are allowed to cool to room temp, then reheated to the average running temps around 545 to 560 deg.
I was always taught never to let the barrel and screw return to room temp unless there's a specific reason. I was always told (by different people and companys) it's safer to keep your resting temp about 1/2 of your regular running temp. I was told this puts less stress on the equipment and helps reduce the possiblilty of the screw getting "brittle" from repeated heating and cooling in such a wide range.

I may be wrong, this is just a practice I've used in the past, and like I said before, Ive never seen a broken screw. And I've ran lines better than 25 years old with the original screw... with no problems.

Thanks again for the info. I stumbled across this site looking for a information resource, they always say knowledge is power.

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shland
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posted March 29, 2006 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shland   Click Here to Email shland     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also have some question on SIMA extrusion , could you kindly advise the SIMA technical contact? or recommend someothers making polyester strapping line?

thanks

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Stephen J. Derezinski
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From:Penfield, NY, 14526, USA
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posted March 31, 2006 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen J. Derezinski   Click Here to Email Stephen J. Derezinski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have seen this type of breakage a number of times. Checking the barrel for straightness is a logical step, but difficult to do with a hot barrel.

I did some research and modeling of screw temperature, http://www.extrudertech.com/antec2000.pdf, with heat conduction in the screw. I found that there is a large temperature difference between the flight tip and the screw root. The gradient is greatest in sections with shallow channels. This leads to thermal stresses in the flight and at the flight root. I believe this is a major contributor to such screw breakage of large screws in areas of shallow channel depth.

Larger radius fillets at the screw root could help. This is also good to elimnate dead spots in the flow, as has been suggested by others.

Correspond, steve@extrudertech.com

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Steve Derezinski
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Tom C
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posted March 31, 2006 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Screws that I have seen fail in the metering section were running resins (I think POM) that would propagate cracks when the resin leaked into the crack and degraded. As you can see I'm fuzzy on the details, but the effect was very similar to what is described here.

Anyone have details on this effect?

Tom C

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