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felix Senior Member Posts: 11 |
posted May 14, 2003 12:32 AM
Hi Folks, Does anyone know the relationship between feed screw flight thickness and extruder motor load? For instance, would thicker, or wider flights result in higher amps draw on the motor? The reason for using thicker flights, if for better wear resistance. Regards, and thanks in advance, Felix IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 179 |
posted May 14, 2003 04:03 AM
Viscosity of the material being extruded would have more of an influence on HP required. Widening the flight would make the screw less efficient at conveying material, because it would have less channel volume, the material would have more contact with the screw and less contact with the barrel. Steve H IP: Logged |
felix Senior Member Posts: 11 |
posted May 14, 2003 01:22 PM
" the screw less efficient at conveying material, because it would have less channel volume" Thanks for your reply Steve. IP: Logged |
Tom C Moderator Posts: 137 |
posted May 14, 2003 01:53 PM
Can't say that I've ever seen anything about flight thickness vs. screw wear. I would tend to think that screw design and process conditions are more influential. There is a recent article in one of the plastic mags. by Chris R. on the subject. Tom C IP: Logged |
louis33 Senior Member Posts: 60 |
posted May 14, 2003 02:21 PM
I would think that the wider the flight, the more bearing surface, thus the less wear. Of course, the wider the flight, the less space there is for material, so therefore one would expect less amperage. Think of a screw that was all flight and no material . . . no amps there! So my answer is the wider load bearing surface would share the wear and thus "wear less" IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 179 |
posted May 14, 2003 03:27 PM
Hi Felix quote:You can,but by doing so, you would alter the effective lenght of the screw. quote:For screws 2"-4.5", a rule of thumb is the feed section depth should not be greater than .2 of the screw diameter. I'm not saying you can't have a wider flight, just that there may be implications to think about if you do. Another potential problem could be the amount of shear the material that passes over the top of a wider flight would be exposed to.A wider flight will increase the amount of shear and could cause a gel problem, a rule of thumb for flight width is 10% of the diameter. I agree with Louis that motor amps will go down, this would be expected if less material is being moved by the screw. Steve H IP: Logged |
Tom C Moderator Posts: 137 |
posted May 14, 2003 03:47 PM
Now we are getting into of the the real fun part of extrusion! If you were to have a wider flight, and the material did not shear thin much, you may in fact consume more power. In fact some materials will consume so much more power that they will overheat. Other thoughts; A wider flight will make a stiffer screw, less subject to local deflection, and therefore speading the load over an even greater bearing surface. I beleive the optimal solution to all of these issues had been found in the double flighted screw. Tom C IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 179 |
posted May 14, 2003 07:10 PM
Chris Rauwendaal's article on screw wear was in Plastics Technology Magazine, you can read an online copy here http://www.plasticstechnology.com/articles/200305ts1.html Steve H IP: Logged |
TomBlack Moderator Posts: 18 |
posted May 15, 2003 07:25 AM
Felix, There is an argument that says that approximately 40% of the motor load is due to material leaking over the flight land and that a narrow flight width is advantageous. However, as a practical matter, a flight width which is much less than 10% of the screw diameter lacks structural integrity and results in flight fracture. Experience has shown that the 10% rule works well...
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louis33 Senior Member Posts: 60 |
posted May 15, 2003 05:56 PM
quote: So then a barrier type screw would have a greater load at the same pounds per hour? IP: Logged |
TomBlack Moderator Posts: 18 |
posted May 16, 2003 08:05 AM
Louis, That's an interesting question. As the motor power is the shear force X rotational velocity of the solid bed, melt pool and screw flight respectively, the additional barrier flight would be included in this expression. Moreover, the shear force is the shear stress X area of each of the contributing components. As such, given a barrier flight which may be as little as 5% of the screw lead, there may still be a significant contribution to motor load based on the shear stress through this narrow gap. You would have to evaluate the viscosity decay due to shear rate based on the power law value of the fluid. Depending on the decay of the fluid, the shear stress may be very high in this component resulting in a significant contribution to motor load.
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