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Vic Senior Member Posts: 12 |
posted June 13, 2003 01:33 AM
Hi All, We are experiencing gauge variation across the sheet. I have tried choker bar adjustments but to no avail. The weird thing I found though, was when I took out the mesh screens and breaker plate and continued running the gauge became more uniform. The product in question is a mix of milled resin, foaming agent (azo) and compounded fire retardent pellets. When we run straight powder product we don't seem to have the same problem. Regards IP: Logged |
blunatic Member Posts: 3 |
posted June 13, 2003 06:14 AM
maybe high pressure at the breaker plate is causing more shear heating and making it less viscous and less stable IP: Logged |
M.Blader Senior Member Posts: 11 |
posted June 17, 2003 11:47 PM
I would think your first look-see would be in the screen pack your using. 20-40-60-80-60-80-40-20 is overkill, (however I have seen this used with Virgin material, for God knows what reason...) From your posting I would say you are restricting melt flow with screenpack overkill. Throw in a 20-40 and watch your PSI go down. One extra 80 screen can increase flow temp as much as 80 deg. Depending on your set material, take the damn screens right out! If you run regrind, it will run hotter with more PSI, and you may want to use a screen for degra-d. IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 200 |
posted June 18, 2003 04:01 AM
Azo starts to "blow" as soon as a pressure drop occurs. If the screen pack you've been using is too restrictive, this could cause premature foaming and unbalance the flow of melt in your die, a 40-60-40 should work ok. What barrel settings, screw speed are you using, and what melt temp and pressure are you getting. Steve H IP: Logged |
Vic Senior Member Posts: 12 |
posted June 18, 2003 09:18 PM
Thank you for the responses, Steve, we run the following settings B1 - 110 IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 200 |
posted June 20, 2003 04:53 PM
G'day Vic A twenty mesh screen is only included to support a finer mesh screen. The "open" area of a 40 mesh is about 38% while the "open" area of a 200 mesh is 34%- But the 200 mesh will trap more crap from the regrind and do it quicker, than the 40. A more restrictive pack raises the back pressure and can be a way of improving mixing (as a temp fix). If this worked then you would get a better designed screw and look at valving an adaptor. Can you measure the pressure drop across your screens ? Tell management that they can either have 100% crap at 30 RPM or 97% sellable at 26 RPM and let them make the call. What diameter screw have you got? Screw motor amps depend on the viscosity of the material, I don't think you can infer the degree of mixing from them. And I know you can't use them as a poor mans pressure gauge. If you had a melt temp T/C that traversed the melt, and the variation in readings was 1/2C across the melt, that would be great. A 1C variation would be acceptable and a 2C would be bad, very bad. Steve H IP: Logged |
Vic Senior Member Posts: 12 |
posted June 23, 2003 01:10 AM
Steve, our screw is an L/D 28 and 120mm. Our melt pressure drop across the screens is around 200psi. We currently are unable to measure back pressure. Would this be a more useful indicator? IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 200 |
posted June 24, 2003 03:23 PM
G'day Vic A delta of 200PSI over your screen pack is low. With a 40-60-40, and HIPS, we get a delta of 400PSI (fresh screen pack), when the delta climbs to 650PSI, we change screens. Increasing the pressure measured at the end of the screw (head) infers that more back pressure is being generated.This is accomplished by valving an adaptor, or restricting the melt path by a plate. This back pressure pushes material over the flights and generally improves mixing. I like your use of a reverse barrel temp profile, have you tried slightly higher temps in the feed zone? Steve H IP: Logged |
malikengg Senior Member Posts: 5 |
posted July 04, 2003 04:35 AM
I have seen melt pumps installed between the die and extruder discharge to smoothen out variations and also maintain a continous delivery of melt through the die. In HIPS sheet extrusion using the "T" Die the use of melt pump has nearly eliminated the problem of gauge variations and also minimised the wastage. I think melt pump might be the solution to your problem. Thanks IP: Logged |
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