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Extrusion, Single Screw about PA66/GF30% extrusion fluctuation
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chenzhiqiang Senior Member Posts: 10 |
posted August 10, 2003 11:50 PM
hi, everyone; We have 6 single screw extruders to process PA66 and PA6/GF30%. Now I have a problem: IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 230 |
posted August 11, 2003 01:05 AM
G'day Chenzhiqiang Welcome to the single screw extrusion forum. You've given us quite a bit of info, well done Have you got the depths of your feed zone, compression and metering sections of your screw. Are you cooling the feedthroat of your barrel. With your barrel temps, are you running the feed zone at 280C or 265C. Whats happening with the melt temp, melt pressure and screw motor amps. Steve H IP: Logged |
chenzhiqiang Senior Member Posts: 10 |
posted August 11, 2003 04:22 AM
Thanks. The feeding zone is cooled with recycled water. The feeding zone has a depth of 5mm and metering zone has a depth of 1.5mm. We have runned the extruder for nearly all kinds of temp. setting. All the same results happen. IP: Logged |
Tom C Moderator Posts: 178 |
posted August 11, 2003 06:56 AM
You probably have severe wear in the short transition zone. Likely when you start up the barrel is cooled by the introduction of material. This cool barrel helps to fill the wear gap with viscous material and allow pumping. When the barrel zone finally heats up you lose pumping ability in the transition zone due to the low viscosity of nylon melts. The company that owns this forum can supply new screws and barrels. I would recommend a significant screw redesign constructed from wear resisant materials. Tom C IP: Logged |
zabielski Senior Member Posts: 214 |
posted August 11, 2003 07:06 AM
Tom C: Will you be recommending CPMV-9 for the screw and CPMV-10 for the barrel? Just wondering, as I had done that for an old IM unit years ago, and to my knowledge, these finish's have terrific abrashion resistance. IP: Logged |
zabielski Senior Member Posts: 214 |
posted August 11, 2003 07:09 AM
Tom C: Will you be recommending CPMV-9 for the screw and CPMV-10 for the barrel? Just wondring, as these finished alloys have terrific wear resistance. IP: Logged |
zabielski Senior Member Posts: 214 |
posted August 11, 2003 07:12 AM
Tom C: Will you be recommending CPMV-9 for the screw and CPMV-10 for the barrel? Just wondering, as these have good abrasion resistance characteristics. IP: Logged |
louis33 Senior Member Posts: 69 |
posted August 11, 2003 10:26 AM
Zeb Trying to get your post count up? IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 230 |
posted August 11, 2003 03:06 PM
Ken, say after me: I must push the "post reply" button once I must push the "post reply" button once Steve H IP: Logged |
Steve H Moderator Posts: 230 |
posted August 12, 2003 12:29 AM
Tom C Could this be a case of the feed bridging in the hopper/ feed throat? Steve H IP: Logged |
zabielski Senior Member Posts: 214 |
posted August 12, 2003 06:07 AM
Steve H & Tom C.: Wow, that was worse than stuttering in public! I sure don't know how I done that multiple post thing. My apologies. IP: Logged |
chenzhiqiang Senior Member Posts: 10 |
posted August 12, 2003 10:17 PM
No any bridging phinomina. We can see PA pellets rounding in screw channels without any conveying. Thanks again. IP: Logged |
Tom C Moderator Posts: 178 |
posted August 15, 2003 11:31 AM
Ken, I've had good experiences with CPM-10V on small parts. I think you can only get so big. On larger screws Stellite and Colmonoy welded overlay grades work good. Be sure to check barrel compatibility charts. I like Wexco 777 barrel liners. Conforma-clad is also good for smaller barrels like twin screws. Some have had good results with barrels made with the HIP process. Tom C IP: Logged |
chenzhiqiang Senior Member Posts: 10 |
posted August 16, 2003 06:31 AM
Great thanks again. The extruders I used are all new machines without any abrasion phinomina. But you will be appreciated if you can tell me the appropriate clearance between screw and barrel. Maybe the parameters are not proper. IP: Logged |
Tom C Moderator Posts: 178 |
posted August 16, 2003 12:19 PM
The screw design you have is based on disproven concepts for nylon screw design. Also these quick transition screws were designed for unfilled grades. If you are not using very wear resistant materials on the screw and barrel, a screw design like you have could wear out in a single day running glass filled nylon. If wear is not the problem, then a likely source is screw and barrel temperature. Once you start the extruder it can take 15-20 minutes for temperatures to stabilize. While not running the screw can heat up in the feed zone. This may provide a temperature where the friction is low on the screw. As the extruder runs, the constant feed of new resin draws heat from the screw. It is possible that a lower screw temperature has higer friction with the resin, and this stops feeding. Another possibility is related to the above. When you start running the screw is hot. Because of the long feed section of the screw melting begins well before the transition. As the process runs for a while the screws cools as described above, and/or the beginning of melting moves further towards the throat as barrel heaters recover. Some of the melted material then freezes onto the screw causing a buildup. When the extruder is stopped, the buildup could possible be re-melted, or scrubbed off by the stop/start process. Then you can run again until the buildup occurs, again. Solutions: 1) A correct screw design would be best. From this screw you should expect; low rate, excessive wear, and surging as a normal condition. Tom C IP: Logged |
TomBlack Moderator Posts: 34 |
posted August 18, 2003 09:02 PM
Hi Everyone, Been busy and sorry to not to have got to this post sooner. Has anyone discussed the idea of nylon slipping in the feed? If so, please ignore the post, however if not, I'ld be happy to offer some comments. I've had lot's of issues with Nylon mis-feeding due to slippage on the barrel and have used small barrel grooves quite successfully to overcome this...
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