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pedro viana
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posted February 29, 2004 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pedro viana   Click Here to Email pedro viana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I'd like to have information on single screw for PET extrusion(L/D,max rpm,temp profile).thanks on advence

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Tom C
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posted February 29, 2004 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most critical aspect of PET extrusion is keeping the resin very dry. Less than 0.025% water is required.

Crystalization is usually performed in concert with drying in an agitated dryer.

Putting amorphous pellets in a standard dryer will results in one giant pellet.

Melting point 495F
Melt temp and barrel temps 520-540F

A vacuum vented extruder is prefered.

30 - 36:1 L/D with vent.

PET melt tends to stick to metal.

Screw plastication is generally easy and the melt is tolerant of a lot of conditions provided it is dry first. Keep the residence time on the low side.

These answers are a general as your question. If you need more specific information ask more specific questions....

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Steve H
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posted February 29, 2004 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve H   Click Here to Email Steve H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings Pedro, welcome to the Single Screw Forum

What are you looking to extrude with Apet? Have you already got the equipment (including drying equipment).

Steve Hodgson

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pedro viana
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posted March 05, 2004 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pedro viana   Click Here to Email pedro viana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Being more specific I already have an extruder used for PVC semi rigid profiles with 16 L/D and i wonder if it can be used for PET extrusion.

If not what modifications should I do?

Concerning PET drying ,what´s the behavior
of PET in a place with 85 % moisture,ie,

from 0,025%, dried, in how many hours it would saturize again?
Pedro Viana

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Tom C
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posted March 05, 2004 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pedro,

I don't think you are in good shape.

The extruder seems too short and will have trouble providing a stable pressure. You likely need something like 20:1 or more. Vacuum vented (30:1)would be better.

For extruion profiles you will need a high viscosity grade of PET, which is even more sensitive to moisture.

Successful running of PET requires an air tight connection from the dryer to the extruder, or storage under pressurized nitrogen.

Many processors trying to move from PVC to engineering resins have problems. PET is probably one of the most difficult engineering resins to work with.

I would recommend looking at PETG. It is specifically recommended for processing on PVC equipment. My personal expereince indicateds that it is much easier to handle and more forgiving. Still it needs to be dried to below 0.04% moisture. As stated a vacuum vented extruder is rocommended because the process will be more tolerant of variable moisture content.

Check these web sites on PETG;
http://www.scudc.scu.edu/cmdoc/dg_doc/develop/material/resins/a4000014.htm http://www.custombottle.com/guideto.htm#PET

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Steve H
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posted March 06, 2004 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve H   Click Here to Email Steve H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Pedro

I agree with Tom, you'll need to look at obtaining another extruder, with an L/D greater than 27L/D. Have a look at vacuum dryers (they're new to the market, so not available second hand) to dry the material.

Steve

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