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john green
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From:milton keynes england
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posted August 19, 2005 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for john green   Click Here to Email john green     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi
can you advise that if I were to insulate our t/dies which are from 1.5mtrs to 2.5mtrs
coat hanger style to reduce heat loss would
this cause any problems this is purely an energy saving exercise also if I did this to the barrels would I have a problem with not being able to get rid of exess heat

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Tom C
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posted August 19, 2005 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John,

Insulating the die will change the temperature of the inner surfaces of the die. The amount and type of of change depends on the operating conditions. Whether the changes influnce the flow of the polymer through the die much, good or bad also depends on many factors.

I believe die insulation will improve the process in the long run, but some adjustments in zone temperature may be required.

Insulation of the barrel is more complex. Usually it is a good idea, but if your process uses air cooling your out of luck. Water cooled barrels are the only candidates for insulation, except in special circumstances.

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Tom Cunningham

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joeex
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posted August 22, 2005 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joeex   Click Here to Email joeex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi John would be interested to Know what you are extruding and what type of extruder you have. And on a personal note have been looking at a job in Milton Keynes recently company called Parpak any Knowledge or feedback appreciated my E-Mail is mckjose8@aol.com

Thanks Joe

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john green
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posted August 22, 2005 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for john green   Click Here to Email john green     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Joe
We are a bubble film manufacturer
We have various extruders being Italion , japanese , taiwanese some with the choke bar for film width others with the pinching bolts
Parpak I have heard of but not quite sure what they
produce I do know its not bubble wrap
Maybe we could arrange a visit if you are over my email is j.green@sansetsu.co.uk if you would like to get in touch
john
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Originally posted by joeex:
Hi John would be interested to Know what you are extruding and what type of extruder you have. And on a personal note have been looking at a job in Milton Keynes recently company called Parpak any Knowledge or feedback appreciated my E-Mail is mckjose8@aol.com

Thanks Joe


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john green
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posted August 22, 2005 05:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for john green   Click Here to Email john green     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tom
Thankyou for your reply a few more questions
regarding the t/die
What would you suggest for the insulation ?
I have sourced a material called sindanyo which is light weight but has to be cut to size and is not flexible I have heard of insulation blankets have you ?
the barrel is air cooled with pid control then our process is run on water cooled
rollers with the addition of air cooling
My worry is if I insulate the barrel with the additional frictional heat will I create
cooling problems
john
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Originally posted by Tom C:
John,

Insulating the die will change the temperature of the inner surfaces of the die. The amount and type of of change depends on the operating conditions. Whether the changes influnce the flow of the polymer through the die much, good or bad also depends on many factors.

I believe die insulation will improve the process in the long run, but some adjustments in zone temperature may be required.

Insulation of the barrel is more complex. Usually it is a good idea, but if your process uses air cooling your out of luck. Water cooled barrels are the only candidates for insulation, except in special circumstances.


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ravi
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From:chennai, Tamilnadu, India
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posted August 25, 2005 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ravi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Insulation is a good idea but has various problems. When u stop the machine the residual material will degrade as the die will take a long time to cool down. I have used fibre glass wool packed in a fibre glass cloth very effectively. It must be removable at the time of machine shut down. The power saving is enormous when using this insulation. If ur process produces frictional heat in the die during process then this insulation will prove disastrous.
regards,
ravi

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john green
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posted August 25, 2005 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for john green   Click Here to Email john green     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ravi
Thankyou for the advice
I am looking into an insulation jacket for our dies makes sense to remove on cool down
John

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