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john green
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From:milton keynes england
Registered: Aug 2005

posted April 17, 2006 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for john green   Click Here to Email john green     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have knowledge of converting
an existing screw to incorporate a melt pump
we run a cast extrusion line using ldpe
130mm screw ratio ld 28/1 with 90 to 140kw motors .I have been
trying to run pp material on dies up to 2.5 mtrs wide the problem I have been getting
is surging on the output causing an ununiform
thickness across the web
any info or contacts in the UK would of great
help
John

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Tom C
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posted April 18, 2006 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A better screw design would be much cheaper. Dr. Peter Prentice of Polytech Consultants in the UK would be a good place to start.

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Stephen J. Derezinski
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posted April 18, 2006 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen J. Derezinski   Click Here to Email Stephen J. Derezinski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello John--
Yes, the screw was ok for LDPE, but is likely not suited to PP. But, before a new screw is designed, some trial and error with barrel zone temps could give clues to the source of the instability. So, try changing the solids conveying zone up and down slightly to see if you get any improvement. Next try the zone over the transition section. Do one zone at a time, and give it 1/2 day to come to thermal equilibrium. With luck, you may be able to solve the problem with barrel zone temps and not need to change screws.

For some information on the effect of your delivery system on stability, see http://www.extrudertech.com/antec971.pdf
Proper size and placement of components can minimize flow disturbances at the die delivery. Higher frequency disturbances are most affected.

steve@extrudertech.com

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john green
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posted April 19, 2006 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for john green   Click Here to Email john green     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Sirs
Thankyou for your input
I tried varying temps on the barrel and die
improved considerably running from 240 to 280
degrees on the die but I could only run at 15mpm as opposed to 45mpm with pe
I have taken your suggestion of the screw and
am looking into this
Regards
John

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Stephen J. Derezinski
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posted April 19, 2006 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen J. Derezinski   Click Here to Email Stephen J. Derezinski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
John--
For a truly good analysis all of the machine and material data are needed. Barrel temperaturte profile, hp, rpm, rate, and pressure. For the material, viscosity,(or at least m.i.) as a function of temperature and shear, friction factors, bulk density, and melt density. Details of the screw geometry also.

If you some assistance, e-mail steve@extrudertech.com

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Steve Derezinski
Extruder Tech, Inc.
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Cor
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posted May 04, 2006 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Meltpumps are normally used to make the downstream extrusion independent of the extruder stability. We run all our installations with meltpumps and it works very good. We run PE, PP and PET.
What I noticed in the previous post is that meltpumps can enable you to increase capacity, however at a higher price than a new screw.
Regarding extruding PP; PP is less stable than for example PE or PET (if properly dried). Therefore, the temperature of the PP shouldn't be too high if you're performing extrusion coating or casting. You can do that when you're using meltpumps.

I hope this information helps a little.

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