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Topic: PVC extruder fumes
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terry.m Member Posts: 1 From:Canada Registered: May 2003
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posted May 09, 2003 04:25 PM
I am interested in getting detailed information regarding the (chemical) nature of the fumes exhaused as a part of a barrel feed pvc extruder. this is a matter of some urgency
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zabielski Senior Member Posts: 166 From:McHenry, IL USA Registered: Nov 2002
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posted May 10, 2003 08:27 AM
I'd say they are predominantly hydrochloric acid, and low molecular weight compounds from the additive package(s) used. I've seen stainless steel "rust" in a new Plant within the first quarter of operation. Because the fumes go up the exhust hood, they tend to eventually condense, then drip back down. I've seen an ingenious design of a fume hood that had an internal lip inside the hood, which cought the condensates, then allowed them to drain off to one side. On that tilted side, a screw tread allowed the attchment of a plastic bottle that cought the condensate.No one was to know what it was, so as they filled up, they were then drained into a 55 gallon drum (which promptly started to leak). This is a serios problem in most PVC shops, and you need to design a method to neutralize the acid as it enters the fume hood's. This is very serious business. I've seen some operators with burnt nostriles too. IP: Logged |
2beeps Moderator Posts: 51 From:Silver City, NM, USA Registered: Jun 2001
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posted May 11, 2003 12:00 PM
Extruding well stabilized/lubricated compounds within the "processing window" on a well maintained extrusion line should only emit plasticizer/stabilizer odors in flexibles, and stabilizer(mercaptide)odors with some lubricant fumesin rigids. If you are smelling pungent HCl fumes, the material is DEGRADING somewhere in the system and corrective measures need to be taken!!You need to know and control the exit melt temp.,and insure there are no hang-up points in the barrel,head, and die. With early HCl elimination--i.e.1-3 double bonds on PVC,a black light can detect early degradation on the profile.Visible discoloration starts at 3-5 double bonds. In any event, I agree with Ken that a good venting system is essential not only at each machine, but throughout the plant! Skip IP: Logged |
M.Blader Senior Member Posts: 11 From:noplace Registered: Jun 2003
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posted June 17, 2003 07:28 PM
Crank up the exaust and hope for the best.There are no known studies on long term effects from sucking in PVC fumes. In heavy doses (HEAVY,....like swimming in fumes...) It errodes the bones in the fingure tips and toes. Much worse happens after that. (PBS.org, 2001) This was happening in the 60's when Chloride was first being processed, but in it's rawest form. The US Gov., of course, tried to cover it up. It became a worldwide coverup between chloride processing companies. PVC (type 1) also contains the same chemicals that were found in the most favorite weapons of WW2. Some well known companies are doing away with PVC all together, and don't even attempt to mention the word to PETA or Greenpeace. Either way, I have seen companies get nervous over things like PVC buildup on hoods and dies, (IE dripping into bottles....) and it is then handled like cynide. They see million dollar lawsuits in 30 years... My advice is to keep your hoods/exaust in tip-top shape, and where a resp.whenever possible. You can find info on PVC chemicals here: http://www.psrc.usm.edu/macrog/pc.htm PS: The liver is the first thing to be effected by PVC, keep that in check as well.
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2beeps Moderator Posts: 51 From:Silver City, NM, USA Registered: Jun 2001
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posted June 18, 2003 12:25 AM
M Blader---Your post is the most blatant "claptrap" that I've seen in a long time!! With over 12 BILLION lbs of PVC processed in the U.S.ALONE each year, NO ONE is "corking off" due to "EXCESS HCl fumes"!! A well maintained PVC production facility uses efficient venting to take care of the MINIMAL HCl that MAY be generated during production runs---if more serious problems are occuring on a continuous basis, that company will not last very long competively! I've looked at your recommended web site, and find it to be replete with negative innuendos and an "anti-plastics agenda" that does not correlate with the real world!! Have a good day!! Skip IP: Logged |
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