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jackie
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posted May 19, 2005 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jackie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am running Apet sheet on my OMV co-extruder things look fine until I try to increase output and lines start to appear in sheet. Initially thought they were coming from Co-Ex as when turned off lines disappeared but after cleaning they were back. Thought it might be something to do with pressures so reduced pressures on main line and Co-ex and this seemed to help. I need to icrease output can anyone help.

Jackie.

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Steve H
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posted May 19, 2005 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve H   Click Here to Email Steve H     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could they be moisture tracks Jackie, if you've upped the through put, maybe your dryers arn't keeping pace.

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jackie
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posted May 19, 2005 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jackie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lines come and go within 5/10 mins I would guess if it was the dryer it might take longer to show ? Is it common to get moisture lines ? Moisture seems to come through more as pit marks in sheet in my case

Thanks for your Interest Steve

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Tom C
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posted May 19, 2005 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jackie,

It is very common for extrusion processes to pass more unmelted material to the die as the screw RPMs are increased. Depending on your die design and sheet thickness the unmelted materials could get stuck in the die and produce a line until they eventually melt.

Please contact me directly at 570-992-0961 if you think you could use some professional consultation in resolving this issue. I have many tools at my dispoal which can help develop extrusion productivity.

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jackie
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posted May 20, 2005 10:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jackie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom sounds like it could be what you have said makes sense. Would increasing die temp help or do I need to go right back to the barrel ?


Thanks Jackie.

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joeex
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posted May 20, 2005 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for joeex   Click Here to Email joeex     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Jackie
Is your die lip to tight and is the material coming out serrated from the die. What happens if you turn off the co-ex and up the line speed ?

Cheers Joe.....

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Tom C
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posted May 20, 2005 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jackie,

A quick fix may be to add screens to the breaker plate, or use a tighter mesh screens.

Sometimes screw and barrel wear can be the source of unmelted resin.

A better solution would probably be a new screw design. There are lots of interesting options depending on your application. I could refer you to a couple of capable companies in England if you wish.

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jackie
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posted May 23, 2005 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jackie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your interest Tom I will try a different mesh. The srew I have in is only 4 months old and was made in UK by Stanley Vickers to an OMV Apet design so am hoping that it is OK.

Thanks again Jackie.

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Tom C
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posted May 23, 2005 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jackie,

If you continue to have problems please email me if you are interested in my assessing your screw. tomcun@ptd.net


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jackie
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posted May 24, 2005 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jackie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom, Thanks again for your help have tried extra mesh screen to breaker plate and first impression is it is looking good will let you know how I get on after extended trial

Jackie

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Tom C
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posted May 25, 2005 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jackie,

I should have added that you need to keep an eye on your pressure rise over time, because unmelted material my clog up your screens.

You should also check your product microscopically for small unmelted particles. Their presence can dramatically weaken the sheet.

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michman
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posted August 12, 2005 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for michman   Click Here to Email michman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jackie,
A high die temperature can result in contaminates seeping through a restrictor bar seal, Do you have teflon seals?

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