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burak dincel
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posted April 14, 2003 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for burak dincel   Click Here to Email burak dincel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can anyone answer the following ?

I understand that heavy materials of dry blend(powder) compound such as titanium dioxide, fillers ,etc,separates from other parts,such as pvc-resin due to transportation related vibration hence causing problem unless re-mixed prior to extrusion.Is this true ? Also what happens if dry-blend is effected by moisture during transportation? Is the simple answer not to deal with transported dry blend?Your valuable comments/assistance would be very much appreciated.
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louis33
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posted April 14, 2003 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louis33   Click Here to Email louis33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by burak dincel:
Can anyone answer the following ?

I understand that heavy materials of dry blend(powder) compound such as titanium dioxide, fillers ,etc,separates from other parts,such as pvc-resin due to transportation related vibration hence causing problem unless re-mixed prior to extrusion.Is this true ? Also what happens if dry-blend is effected by moisture during transportation? Is the simple answer not to deal with transported dry blend?Your valuable comments/assistance would be very much appreciated.
Regards - Burak



Generally speaking, anything over one gram per pound of dry colorant or additive does not get absorbed by the pellets. That is to say that once the pellets are coated, you will have excess additive floating around in the mix. It is that excess that settles to the bottom.

Of course that depends on the S.G. of the additive.

As to moisture affecting the blend, yes, that could be a problem with some additives. In my humble opinion though, the moisture would only help the particles stick to the pellet. The real problem there is how does the plastic perform when run wet?

If you must use dry ingredients, add the colorant at the hopper using a feeder system whenever possible. Barring that, mix very small batches and feed them into the hopper as needed.

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Tom C
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posted April 14, 2003 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom C   Click Here to Email Tom C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When handling blends everything depends on the blends ability to hold the various components in suspension. The more differences there are in particle shape size and density, the more problems there will be keeping materials in place. This is another one of those cases where everything depends on what exactly what your using, and how your handling it. Even static charge has enough force to separate blend components under certain circumstances.

For myself I usually make a small sample blend (1-2 lbs) in a clear plastic bag. I will bounce the bag lightly up and down on a table a dozen times or so. Then I visually and physically inspect the blend for separation problems.

I you do find separation in this test, then usually the separation will cause problems somehow and somewhere. Solutions are varied ... however I can't give away all of my income earning potential.

Moisture is usually not a problem unless storage will be extended, 6 months +, or shipping overseas. There are also solutions to these problems, but they is some expense in implementation.

Tom C


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2beeps
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posted April 15, 2003 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 2beeps   Click Here to Email 2beeps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Typical PVC "dryblends", mixed in a high intensity blender, then cooled in a cooling
mixer, then blown to a storage silo, should pose no problems when transported to the extruder hopper, provided ceramic "elbows" are installed at the bends in transfer lines to avoid metal-to-PVC ABRASION. In PVC dryblending, all liquid additives are adsorbed,and dry additives are
well dispersed, so no problems should occur
during transfer of powder blends.
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